home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: nntp.teleport.com!sschaem
- From: sschaem@teleport.com (Stephan Schaem)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.games,alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.games,alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Date: 25 Mar 1996 19:43:10 GMT
- Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016
- Distribution: inet
- Message-ID: <4j6t0e$2gf@nadine.teleport.com>
- References: <4iqb0a$46e@eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au> <kae68bt1e4y.fsf@lk-hp-7.hut.fi>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com
- X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
-
- Mats A Knip (mknip@snakemail.hut.fi) wrote:
-
- : - Nobody develops software for them anymore. Nor games. The lag
- : between the death of C and Escom's takeover was too long.
-
- I dont think escom 'hired' any dev team to produce killer title
- for A1200 or their upcoming new lowend machine... I think escom
- expect the market to create itself.
-
- : - They are waaay too expensive and deliver _nothing_ that you can't
- : get from a PC. Nobody buys an Amiga today if he hasn't owned
- : one in the past. There's no reason to. PCs are cheaper, compatible
- : and give ten times the bang-for-the-buck.
-
- You if are not forced to buy an amiga , I dont see ethier why spend
- so much $ for little return.
-
- : - The OS was and is really cool, but not good enough. A good OS
- : won't sell itself as Next and other attempts have shown and
- : the amiOS would still need a lot of work to take it up to par
- : with the others around (exept perhaps Win95 or the Mac-OS which
- : are really shitty anyway) when it comes to stability and security.
-
- Win95 is shitty in some ways, but the amiga OS is not at its level.
- I dont see how 3.1 is more secure then W95?
- W95 is a stepping stone for MS to only cary NT... When the market is
- W95, NT will replace it.
-
- : - Amiga had the leading edge in demos for a long time, which was
- : one reason I kept my Amiga, but no more. PC demos are slowly
- : getting ahead with better music, on-par design and graphics and
- : twenty times the CPU power (and raising). We can't win.
-
- I think if tomorrow AT deliver an A3000 styl Amiga but with an 060
- and localbus video card on the motherboard it could compete very
- well with PC demos.(And put the zorro bus in the trash, its killing
- the amiga) Also no zip memory format, 4sim socket would be just fine.
-
- : Can the Amiga be resurrected again? I think not. You can't sell
- : the OS on it's own (it hasn't got enough to offer. Except for
- : efficiency it hasn't got a whole lot that other OSes can't beat)
- : The name Amiga has a bad ring to it. It's survived for so long
- : because of two groups of people : the freaks who loved it for
- : it's demo/multimediacapacity (that's us) and professional users
- : for multimedia-related stuff. It's a small group (way too small)
- : and I have problems understanding who would really buy the next-
- : gen Amiga. It will (probably) be expensive, which rules out the
- : true hackers.
-
- AT should take the ashes and build another computer, not an amiga.
- But I dont mind having them produce 060 amigas for <1000$
-
- : Built in customchips will get outdated before the first prototype
- : is on the shelves. Just look at the consoles... And they have
- : gigantic marketpowers behind them ! (Matsushita, Sony)
-
- They can provide fast 2d GFX that can deliver 1280x1024 24bit gfx.
- that wont die very fast... The trick is to find a way to add
- local processor to the video ram.
-
- : I still find myself dreaming of a next-gen machine that would be
- : to the world what the C64 and A1000 were when they were first
- : released. Is it even possible to create such a machine again?
-
- If only SGI lower its price by 10x you would have your dream machine ;)
- For a real shock SGI would need to lower its price by 100x time ... :)
-
- : Would the market accept it? Would anyboy buy a machine that
- : isn't "microsoft-compatible" ? I don't know. But it would be cool.
-
- I think SGI could grab a lowend market if they can lower their
- price... But it seem they are more interested in the supercomputer
- world nowdays, now that they own Cray they have near 50% of that market.
-
- : I just don't think that resurrecting the Amiga in nineties-clothes
- : would be enough. You'd have to think from the bottom upwards. A
- : completely new OS, new hardware, compatibility. Take up a piece
- : of the market that is now unexploited. A built in quality VR-headset,
- : native support for internet communication (Ok, sounds kinda cheesy, but
- : still - be creative! If it would be cheap enough it could be sold
- : as a web-console, native VRML and Java, whatever), a sound-DSP
- : that would make Yamaha green of envy, MPEG-2 support (sell it as
- : a HD-CD movieplayer), built in video-input..... Anybody got more
- : "dreams" to add ?? How about signing in with matsushita and
- : build a dream-computer around the M2-specs for people who want
- : more than a game-console? :-)
-
- 64bit 66mhz PCI, R5000 or R1000 (with possible multicpu motherboard),
- good memory controler... And as main OS an Amiga rooted OS.
-
- Thats all :)
-
- AT can keep a lowend market with an 060 based amiga.
- but go fully multimedia with a powerfull machine and OS that fit
- the job like a glove.
-
- : I've been a true friend of the Amiga ever since I sold my old
- : trustworthy C64 back in the eighties but I'm also a realist.
- : It's time to bite the bitter apple and buy a PC. Writing this
- : hurts me more than it hurts you to read it.
-
- The worse part is "intel inside"... Even low end pentium are not too
- expansive and give good performance, but its still hurt like kidney stone ;)
-
- Stephan
-